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John Larkin
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On Thu, 11 May 2023 01:17:41 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
wrote:
That\'s great. LT Spice digital simulation is awful.
Free is even better. He could have sold it for big bucks, but I
suspect he\'s crazy rich already.
wrote:
https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/re-writing-spice-for-a-digital-world/
cheers, Gerhard
That\'s great. LT Spice digital simulation is awful.
Free is even better. He could have sold it for big bucks, but I
suspect he\'s crazy rich already.
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Wed, 10 May 2023 17:10:15 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
The real breakthrough would be if there will be Spice models for their
RF transistors.
<jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2023 01:17:41 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:
https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/re-writing-spice-for-a-digital-world/
cheers, Gerhard
That\'s great. LT Spice digital simulation is awful.
Free is even better. He could have sold it for big bucks, but I
suspect he\'s crazy rich already.
The real breakthrough would be if there will be Spice models for their
RF transistors.
P
Phil Hobbs
Guest
On 2023-05-10 19:17, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Awesome. I\'m looking forward to trying it.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/re-writing-spice-for-a-digital-world/Â Â Â
cheers, Gerhard
Awesome. I\'m looking forward to trying it.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
P
Phil Hobbs
Guest
On 2023-05-10 20:19, John Larkin wrote:
I\'d settle for built-in support for (1) diffusive transport, e.g.
forward recovery in diodes (triple credit for modelling SRDs correctly),
and (2) plot scaling that sits still when you re-run the sim.
BTW Infineon has Spice models for their SiGe parts.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
On Wed, 10 May 2023 17:10:15 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2023 01:17:41 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:
https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/re-writing-spice-for-a-digital-world/
cheers, Gerhard
That\'s great. LT Spice digital simulation is awful.
Free is even better. He could have sold it for big bucks, but I
suspect he\'s crazy rich already.
The real breakthrough would be if there will be Spice models for their
RF transistors.
I\'d settle for built-in support for (1) diffusive transport, e.g.
forward recovery in diodes (triple credit for modelling SRDs correctly),
and (2) plot scaling that sits still when you re-run the sim.
BTW Infineon has Spice models for their SiGe parts.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Thu, 11 May 2023 21:55:27 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
It can\'t know in advance how high the current is gonna go on this run!
So does EPC for their GaN.
I think that s-params and Smith charts and load pull data are all
relics of the graph paper and slide rule days. Spice makes so much
more sense, especially as the world gets more wideband and more
nonlinear.
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2023-05-10 20:19, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 10 May 2023 17:10:15 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2023 01:17:41 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:
https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/re-writing-spice-for-a-digital-world/
cheers, Gerhard
That\'s great. LT Spice digital simulation is awful.
Free is even better. He could have sold it for big bucks, but I
suspect he\'s crazy rich already.
The real breakthrough would be if there will be Spice models for their
RF transistors.
I\'d settle for built-in support for (1) diffusive transport, e.g.
forward recovery in diodes (triple credit for modelling SRDs correctly),
and (2) plot scaling that sits still when you re-run the sim.
It can\'t know in advance how high the current is gonna go on this run!
BTW Infineon has Spice models for their SiGe parts.
So does EPC for their GaN.
I think that s-params and Smith charts and load pull data are all
relics of the graph paper and slide rule days. Spice makes so much
more sense, especially as the world gets more wideband and more
nonlinear.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
G
Gerhard Hoffmann
Guest
Am 12.05.23 um 04:58 schrieb John Larkin:
No . they are not relics. Network analyzers, SmithCharts and
s-params look at a circuit from the frequency domain just as
spice, scopes and TDRs look from the time domain.
I learned Spice 2G4 on a Telefunken TR-4 computer that still
ran mostly on core memory and Ge-Transistors, the first
commercial microprogrammed machine. A 48 bit machine and its
96 bit double reals were a joy. VAX and X87 was a major step
backwards for spice. There are no longer punched cards and
output is no longer on a chain printer.
Other than that, Spice itself has not made a lot of progress,
the biggest step was the transistion from Fortran to C but
since Berkeley has left the boat - that\'s it. 30 Years?
A number of companies have sculptured their private user
interface on the spice kernel and sold the result as a new
product. p-spice, microcap, H-spice for timesharing service,
Kevin\'s Superspice. Where are they now?
They all may have made small improvements, that are headed to
the gutter. No central authority anymore that keeps things
together and forever.
NG-spice perhaps, but I cannot remember any news since years.
As nice as LTspice was, it was a disaster for further
improvements. Now with Qorvo there is at least some free
competition. Free as in free beer.
Still it cannot model carrier lifetime for PIN diodes, it
cannot do nonlinear noise analysis. Noise analysis of
a chopper amplifier? Don\'t make me laugh so hard!
Noise and frequency response is computed in Spice by linearizing
the circuit around the operating point and then doing
small signal analysis. Is that any better than using
s-parameters for 5V / 4mA right from the start?
Which is the stable operating point in a chopper amplifier,
or in an oscillator with pulse feedback in Lee-Hajimiry style
to suppress phase noise?
How does Spice compute phase noise? There\'s no harmonic balance
simulation.
Keysight ADS & Genesys and MWO have it and they have the RF
transistor design kits in their libs. And they can ask an insane
amount of money for it.
Even ham simulators like QUCs-Studio start to get it.
< http://qucsstudio.de/de/start/ >
Cheers, Gerhard
On Thu, 11 May 2023 21:55:27 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2023-05-10 20:19, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 10 May 2023 17:10:15 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2023 01:17:41 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:
https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/re-writing-spice-for-a-digital-world/
cheers, Gerhard
That\'s great. LT Spice digital simulation is awful.
Free is even better. He could have sold it for big bucks, but I
suspect he\'s crazy rich already.
The real breakthrough would be if there will be Spice models for their
RF transistors.
I\'d settle for built-in support for (1) diffusive transport, e.g.
forward recovery in diodes (triple credit for modelling SRDs correctly),
and (2) plot scaling that sits still when you re-run the sim.
It can\'t know in advance how high the current is gonna go on this run!
BTW Infineon has Spice models for their SiGe parts.
So does EPC for their GaN.
I think that s-params and Smith charts and load pull data are all
relics of the graph paper and slide rule days. Spice makes so much
more sense, especially as the world gets more wideband and more
nonlinear.
No . they are not relics. Network analyzers, SmithCharts and
s-params look at a circuit from the frequency domain just as
spice, scopes and TDRs look from the time domain.
I learned Spice 2G4 on a Telefunken TR-4 computer that still
ran mostly on core memory and Ge-Transistors, the first
commercial microprogrammed machine. A 48 bit machine and its
96 bit double reals were a joy. VAX and X87 was a major step
backwards for spice. There are no longer punched cards and
output is no longer on a chain printer.
Other than that, Spice itself has not made a lot of progress,
the biggest step was the transistion from Fortran to C but
since Berkeley has left the boat - that\'s it. 30 Years?
A number of companies have sculptured their private user
interface on the spice kernel and sold the result as a new
product. p-spice, microcap, H-spice for timesharing service,
Kevin\'s Superspice. Where are they now?
They all may have made small improvements, that are headed to
the gutter. No central authority anymore that keeps things
together and forever.
NG-spice perhaps, but I cannot remember any news since years.
As nice as LTspice was, it was a disaster for further
improvements. Now with Qorvo there is at least some free
competition. Free as in free beer.
Still it cannot model carrier lifetime for PIN diodes, it
cannot do nonlinear noise analysis. Noise analysis of
a chopper amplifier? Don\'t make me laugh so hard!
Noise and frequency response is computed in Spice by linearizing
the circuit around the operating point and then doing
small signal analysis. Is that any better than using
s-parameters for 5V / 4mA right from the start?
Which is the stable operating point in a chopper amplifier,
or in an oscillator with pulse feedback in Lee-Hajimiry style
to suppress phase noise?
How does Spice compute phase noise? There\'s no harmonic balance
simulation.
Keysight ADS & Genesys and MWO have it and they have the RF
transistor design kits in their libs. And they can ask an insane
amount of money for it.
Even ham simulators like QUCs-Studio start to get it.
< http://qucsstudio.de/de/start/ >
Cheers, Gerhard
G
Gerhard Hoffmann
Guest
Am 12.05.23 um 03:55 schrieb Phil Hobbs:
and (3) running freq response, timing and noise in one job
without editing the .tran / .noise / .ac line, where the old
parameters are used as defaults for completely unrelated things.
I\'d settle for built-in support for (1) diffusive transport, e.g.
forward recovery in diodes (triple credit for modelling SRDs correctly),
and (2) plot scaling that sits still when you re-run the sim.
and (3) running freq response, timing and noise in one job
without editing the .tran / .noise / .ac line, where the old
parameters are used as defaults for completely unrelated things.
P
Phil Hobbs
Guest
Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> wrote:
That one is a wart, for sure. Itâs reasonable to work around, thoughâonce
you get used to the syntax, you can just put .tran, .ac, and .noise in one
block, and comment out the ones youâre not using. That way you can have all
the defaults you like.
Having the simulator ignore prominent effects like carrier transport is
more of a problem.
For time-saving, it would also be nice to have better treatment of board
strays. A full method-of-moments EM sim would be unwieldy, but something as
simple as trace capacitance wouldnât be that hard.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC /
Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Am 12.05.23 um 03:55 schrieb Phil Hobbs:
I\'d settle for built-in support for (1) diffusive transport, e.g.
forward recovery in diodes (triple credit for modelling SRDs correctly),
and (2) plot scaling that sits still when you re-run the sim.
and (3) running freq response, timing and noise in one job
without editing the .tran / .noise / .ac line, where the old
parameters are used as defaults for completely unrelated things.
That one is a wart, for sure. Itâs reasonable to work around, thoughâonce
you get used to the syntax, you can just put .tran, .ac, and .noise in one
block, and comment out the ones youâre not using. That way you can have all
the defaults you like.
Having the simulator ignore prominent effects like carrier transport is
more of a problem.
For time-saving, it would also be nice to have better treatment of board
strays. A full method-of-moments EM sim would be unwieldy, but something as
simple as trace capacitance wouldnât be that hard.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC /
Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Fri, 12 May 2023 09:57:13 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
wrote:
But the RF tools do one frequency at a time. The data sheets provide
s-params for a few selected frequencies where I guess the money is.
I wrote my own sims that ran on a PDP-8 and graphed on a teletype. And
that sold a lot of stuff. My first attempt was 32,000 horsepower with
10-minute time constants.
I understand that LT Spice is not based on the UCB code. It\'s actually
an x86 compiler.
LT Spice killed them. It\'s great and it\'s hard to compete with free.
It\'s like LabView, give it to the kids in college and they\'ll use it
when they grow up.
Qspice will be free too. Smart.
It did get continuous improvement as long as Mike ran it. I don\'t know
what ADI will do with it. They seem to be struggling to build part
models just now.
Noise is always small-signal. Frequency response can involve serious
nonlinearities that Smith Charts can\'t do.
I work time domain, DC to GHz all at once, nonlinear as hell, so I use
Spice and have to derive my own models for RF parts. RF data sheets
are ghastly.
I use it to estimate picosecond jitter in LC and crystal oscillators.
How do you use frequency domain tools to quantify the Johnson and
device and power supply and temperature contributions to phase noise?
Yes.
wrote:
Am 12.05.23 um 04:58 schrieb John Larkin:
On Thu, 11 May 2023 21:55:27 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2023-05-10 20:19, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 10 May 2023 17:10:15 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2023 01:17:41 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:
https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/re-writing-spice-for-a-digital-world/
cheers, Gerhard
That\'s great. LT Spice digital simulation is awful.
Free is even better. He could have sold it for big bucks, but I
suspect he\'s crazy rich already.
The real breakthrough would be if there will be Spice models for their
RF transistors.
I\'d settle for built-in support for (1) diffusive transport, e.g.
forward recovery in diodes (triple credit for modelling SRDs correctly),
and (2) plot scaling that sits still when you re-run the sim.
It can\'t know in advance how high the current is gonna go on this run!
BTW Infineon has Spice models for their SiGe parts.
So does EPC for their GaN.
I think that s-params and Smith charts and load pull data are all
relics of the graph paper and slide rule days. Spice makes so much
more sense, especially as the world gets more wideband and more
nonlinear.
No . they are not relics. Network analyzers, SmithCharts and
s-params look at a circuit from the frequency domain just as
spice, scopes and TDRs look from the time domain.
But the RF tools do one frequency at a time. The data sheets provide
s-params for a few selected frequencies where I guess the money is.
I learned Spice 2G4 on a Telefunken TR-4 computer that still
ran mostly on core memory and Ge-Transistors, the first
commercial microprogrammed machine. A 48 bit machine and its
96 bit double reals were a joy. VAX and X87 was a major step
backwards for spice. There are no longer punched cards and
output is no longer on a chain printer.
I wrote my own sims that ran on a PDP-8 and graphed on a teletype. And
that sold a lot of stuff. My first attempt was 32,000 horsepower with
10-minute time constants.
Other than that, Spice itself has not made a lot of progress,
the biggest step was the transistion from Fortran to C but
since Berkeley has left the boat - that\'s it. 30 Years?
I understand that LT Spice is not based on the UCB code. It\'s actually
an x86 compiler.
A number of companies have sculptured their private user
interface on the spice kernel and sold the result as a new
product. p-spice, microcap, H-spice for timesharing service,
Kevin\'s Superspice. Where are they now?
LT Spice killed them. It\'s great and it\'s hard to compete with free.
It\'s like LabView, give it to the kids in college and they\'ll use it
when they grow up.
Qspice will be free too. Smart.
They all may have made small improvements, that are headed to
the gutter. No central authority anymore that keeps things
together and forever.
NG-spice perhaps, but I cannot remember any news since years.
As nice as LTspice was, it was a disaster for further
improvements.
It did get continuous improvement as long as Mike ran it. I don\'t know
what ADI will do with it. They seem to be struggling to build part
models just now.
Now with Qorvo there is at least some free
competition. Free as in free beer.
Still it cannot model carrier lifetime for PIN diodes, it
cannot do nonlinear noise analysis. Noise analysis of
a chopper amplifier? Don\'t make me laugh so hard!
Noise and frequency response is computed in Spice by linearizing
the circuit around the operating point and then doing
small signal analysis. Is that any better than using
s-parameters for 5V / 4mA right from the start?
Noise is always small-signal. Frequency response can involve serious
nonlinearities that Smith Charts can\'t do.
I work time domain, DC to GHz all at once, nonlinear as hell, so I use
Spice and have to derive my own models for RF parts. RF data sheets
are ghastly.
Which is the stable operating point in a chopper amplifier,
or in an oscillator with pulse feedback in Lee-Hajimiry style
to suppress phase noise?
How does Spice compute phase noise? There\'s no harmonic balance
simulation.
I use it to estimate picosecond jitter in LC and crystal oscillators.
How do you use frequency domain tools to quantify the Johnson and
device and power supply and temperature contributions to phase noise?
Keysight ADS & Genesys and MWO have it and they have the RF
transistor design kits in their libs. And they can ask an insane
amount of money for it.
Yes.
Even ham simulators like QUCs-Studio start to get it.
http://qucsstudio.de/de/start/
Cheers, Gerhard
J
John S
Guest
On 5/12/2023 3:03 AM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
I\'ll settle for a very powerful simulator that is free even with some
shortcomings. There is a reason LT SPICE is a de-facto standard.
Am 12.05.23 um 03:55 schrieb Phil Hobbs:
I\'d settle for built-in support for (1) diffusive transport, e.g.
forward recovery in diodes (triple credit for modelling SRDs correctly),
and (2) plot scaling that sits still when you re-run the sim.
and (3) running freq response, timing and noise in one job
without editing the .tran / .noise / .ac line, where the old
parameters are used as defaults for completely unrelated things.
I\'ll settle for a very powerful simulator that is free even with some
shortcomings. There is a reason LT SPICE is a de-facto standard.
J
John S
Guest
On 5/10/2023 6:17 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
BTW, should be *Englehardt\'s* in the subject.
https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/re-writing-spice-for-a-digital-world/Â Â Â
cheers, Gerhard
BTW, should be *Englehardt\'s* in the subject.
B
Bernd Mayer
Guest
Am 13.05.23 um 18:46 schrieb John S:
No, the correct name is: Mike Engelhardt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTspice
Bernd Mayer
On 5/10/2023 6:17 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/re-writing-spice-for-a-digital-world/
cheers, Gerhard
BTW, should be *Englehardt\'s* in the subject.
No, the correct name is: Mike Engelhardt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTspice
Bernd Mayer
J
John S
Guest
On 5/13/2023 4:00 PM, Bernd Mayer wrote:
*In the subject is Englehards*. That is wrong! His name is mike
Englehardt. The possive is Englehardt\'s!
Show me wrong, *Berndt*.
Am 13.05.23 um 18:46 schrieb John S:
On 5/10/2023 6:17 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/re-writing-spice-for-a-digital-world/
cheers, Gerhard
BTW, should be *Englehardt\'s* in the subject.
No, the correct name is: Mike Engelhardt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTspice
Bernd Mayer
*In the subject is Englehards*. That is wrong! His name is mike
Englehardt. The possive is Englehardt\'s!
Show me wrong, *Berndt*.
H
Hanno Foest
Guest
Am 14.05.23 um 01:30 schrieb John S:
Hanno
--
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man\'s oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.
- John Kenneth Galbraith
BTW, should be *Englehardt\'s* in the subject.
No, the correct name is: Mike Engelhardt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTspice
[...]
*In the subject is Englehards*. That is wrong! His name is mike
Englehardt. The possive is Englehardt\'s!
Subject may be wrong, but his name is Engelhardt and not what you say.
Hanno
--
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man\'s oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.
- John Kenneth Galbraith
B
Bernd Mayer
Guest
Am 14.05.23 um 01:30 schrieb John S:
hello
Justice Mike Englehard knows almost nothing about physics, electronics
and programming of a simulator for electronic circuits.
Mike Engelhardt does.
Open your eyes wide and read all those infos available on the internet.
Bernd Mayer
On 5/13/2023 4:00 PM, Bernd Mayer wrote:
Am 13.05.23 um 18:46 schrieb John S:
On 5/10/2023 6:17 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/re-writing-spice-for-a-digital-world/
cheers, Gerhard
BTW, should be *Englehardt\'s* in the subject.
No, the correct name is: Mike Engelhardt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTspice
Bernd Mayer
*In the subject is Englehards*. That is wrong! His name is mike
Englehardt. The possive is Englehardt\'s!
Show me wrong, *Berndt*.
hello
Justice Mike Englehard knows almost nothing about physics, electronics
and programming of a simulator for electronic circuits.
Mike Engelhardt does.
Open your eyes wide and read all those infos available on the internet.
Bernd Mayer
J
John S
Guest
On 5/13/2023 9:50 PM, Hanno Foest wrote:
Oh! I understand. Your first language is not English. Sorry.
Am 14.05.23 um 01:30 schrieb John S:
BTW, should be *Englehardt\'s* in the subject.
No, the correct name is: Mike Engelhardt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTspice
[...]
*In the subject is Englehards*. That is wrong! His name is mike
Englehardt. The possive is Englehardt\'s!
Subject may be wrong, but his name is Engelhardt and not what you say.
Hanno
Oh! I understand. Your first language is not English. Sorry.
H
Hanno Foest
Guest
Am 14.05.23 um 17:23 schrieb John S:
I doubt the name of an individual is dependent of the first language of
someone. And I also doubt your reading skills.
Hanno
--
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man\'s oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.
- John Kenneth Galbraith
*In the subject is Englehards*. That is wrong! His name is mike
Englehardt. The possive is Englehardt\'s!
Subject may be wrong, but his name is Engelhardt and not what you say.
Oh! I understand. Your first language is not English. Sorry.
I doubt the name of an individual is dependent of the first language of
someone. And I also doubt your reading skills.
Hanno
--
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man\'s oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.
- John Kenneth Galbraith
J
John S
Guest
On 5/14/2023 10:41 AM, Hanno Foest wrote:
In the English language as I learned it, the subject line would have been:
\"Mike Englehardt\'s next simulator after LTSpice\"
Your doubts are dashed.
Am 14.05.23 um 17:23 schrieb John S:
*In the subject is Englehards*. That is wrong! His name is mike
Englehardt. The possive is Englehardt\'s!
Subject may be wrong, but his name is Engelhardt and not what you say.
Oh! I understand. Your first language is not English. Sorry.
I doubt the name of an individual is dependent of the first language of
someone. And I also doubt your reading skills.
Hanno
In the English language as I learned it, the subject line would have been:
\"Mike Englehardt\'s next simulator after LTSpice\"
Your doubts are dashed.
H
Hanno Foest
Guest
Am 14.05.23 um 17:54 schrieb John S:
Your knowledge of the English language notwithstanding, the name of the
guy still is EngELhardt and not EngLEhardt. Sheesh.
> Your doubts are dashed.
Yeah sure.
Hanno
--
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man\'s oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.
- John Kenneth Galbraith
I doubt the name of an individual is dependent of the first language
of someone. And I also doubt your reading skills.
In the English language as I learned it, the subject line would have been:
\"Mike Englehardt\'s next simulator after LTSpice\"
Your knowledge of the English language notwithstanding, the name of the
guy still is EngELhardt and not EngLEhardt. Sheesh.
> Your doubts are dashed.
Yeah sure.
Hanno
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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man\'s oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.
- John Kenneth Galbraith